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	<title>Comments on: Can Edward Tufte Do Business Charts?</title>
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		<title>By: FXPAL Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Glossy pictures and diagrams</title>
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		<dc:creator>FXPAL Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Glossy pictures and diagrams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one based on a rather static notion of data visualization. Apparently Bertin was more attuned to interaction, but was still trapped in a static [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jorge Camoes</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/can-edward-tufte-do-business-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Camoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen: A thread in a Stephen Few&#039;s Perceptual Edge forum tries to show that even Crystal Xcelsius can create good charts. I admire those efforts, but it just doesn&#039;t make sense. The scorpion will always sting the frog because it&#039;s in its nature. Creating bad charts will always be the nature of Crystal Xcelsius. Excel is better because it&#039;s easier to remove the &quot;sales pitch&quot;. It&#039;s far from perfect, but since everyone uses it, the only option is to train users to avoid the defaults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen: A thread in a Stephen Few&#8217;s Perceptual Edge forum tries to show that even Crystal Xcelsius can create good charts. I admire those efforts, but it just doesn&#8217;t make sense. The scorpion will always sting the frog because it&#8217;s in its nature. Creating bad charts will always be the nature of Crystal Xcelsius. Excel is better because it&#8217;s easier to remove the &#8220;sales pitch&#8221;. It&#8217;s far from perfect, but since everyone uses it, the only option is to train users to avoid the defaults.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come from science, not business. But you can easily get Tufte-like minimalism charts in a automated fashion from a spreadsheet. Gnumeric produces those graphs as its default style of graph. A massive win for us scientists, as the tool of choice before Gnumeric was the command-line driven Gnuplot.

Excel graphs, like PowerPoint, are optimised for the &quot;sales pitch&quot;. Optimising it for another task is a hassle, and I&#039;d suggest that using a product with a different focus can save a fair bit of that hassle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from science, not business. But you can easily get Tufte-like minimalism charts in a automated fashion from a spreadsheet. Gnumeric produces those graphs as its default style of graph. A massive win for us scientists, as the tool of choice before Gnumeric was the command-line driven Gnuplot.</p>
<p>Excel graphs, like PowerPoint, are optimised for the &#8220;sales pitch&#8221;. Optimising it for another task is a hassle, and I&#8217;d suggest that using a product with a different focus can save a fair bit of that hassle.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was written in 1967, long before the PC was even imagined.

Even if this refers to the &quot;personal computer&quot; and not general-purpose computers, I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s correct. See the Computer History Museum&#039;s Timeline at http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?year=1963

Decide if the level of eye-candy your audience needs goes beyond what you are willing to add.

Nobody *needs* any type of candy.  Rotting teeth and rotting graphics are good discouragement for the candy cry-babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was written in 1967, long before the PC was even imagined.</p>
<p>Even if this refers to the &#8220;personal computer&#8221; and not general-purpose computers, I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s correct. See the Computer History Museum&#8217;s Timeline at <a href="http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?year=1963" rel="nofollow">http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?year=1963</a></p>
<p>Decide if the level of eye-candy your audience needs goes beyond what you are willing to add.</p>
<p>Nobody *needs* any type of candy.  Rotting teeth and rotting graphics are good discouragement for the candy cry-babies.</p>
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		<title>By: God and Moses? The Differences Between Edward Tufte and Stephen Few</title>
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		<dc:creator>God and Moses? The Differences Between Edward Tufte and Stephen Few</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hand, Tufte would never write a book about dashboards (Beautiful Dashboards? brrrr…). From an actionable, business visualization point of view, Tufte is The Visual Display&#8230; Almost everything else is beautiful, yes, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hand, Tufte would never write a book about dashboards (Beautiful Dashboards? brrrr…). From an actionable, business visualization point of view, Tufte is The Visual Display&#8230; Almost everything else is beautiful, yes, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend just forwarded me this article - it&#039;s really insightful post, thanks.

Your point 6 is particularly valid when there are a lot of people pushing Tufte&#039;s work, without really considering the reality of creating visualitions in a business environment.
I think the challenge for businesses is to produce adaptable templates for their common tasks, realistically (and often unfortunately) using Excel and PowerPoint.

For templates, this means simple - I&#039;d take your point on there being no hard and fast rule against clipart or 3D text, but would argue that a template must be simple to work under the most circumstances possible. Most of the time, 3D means more clutter, so starting with it is bad.

Thankfully, one thing Microsoft got right in Office 2007 - alongside all the things they got wrong - was shared chart templates. Moving data from Excel to PowerPoint, which we all have to do, gets a little bit quicker and you can spend a little more time on elegant visualisations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend just forwarded me this article &#8211; it&#8217;s really insightful post, thanks.</p>
<p>Your point 6 is particularly valid when there are a lot of people pushing Tufte&#8217;s work, without really considering the reality of creating visualitions in a business environment.<br />
I think the challenge for businesses is to produce adaptable templates for their common tasks, realistically (and often unfortunately) using Excel and PowerPoint.</p>
<p>For templates, this means simple &#8211; I&#8217;d take your point on there being no hard and fast rule against clipart or 3D text, but would argue that a template must be simple to work under the most circumstances possible. Most of the time, 3D means more clutter, so starting with it is bad.</p>
<p>Thankfully, one thing Microsoft got right in Office 2007 &#8211; alongside all the things they got wrong &#8211; was shared chart templates. Moving data from Excel to PowerPoint, which we all have to do, gets a little bit quicker and you can spend a little more time on elegant visualisations.</p>
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		<title>By: DSA Insights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Stephen Few Book On Quantitative Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSA Insights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Stephen Few Book On Quantitative Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a very interesting discussion going on that Jorge Camoes started on his blog, Charts.&#160; The discussion is in regards to Edward Tufte principals and business charts or data visualizations.&#160; From [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a very interesting discussion going on that Jorge Camoes started on his blog, Charts.&nbsp; The discussion is in regards to Edward Tufte principals and business charts or data visualizations.&nbsp; From [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paresh: I am sorry, but I am afraid that&#039;s wishful thinking. Because of a low graphicacy rate, people use newspapers and magazines as their role model, and create and expect from their peers magazine-like charts. They usually don&#039;t understand that the role of charts in business is different and the design should be different. People may accept a more rational approach, but it must be explained and its advantages must be clear. And that&#039;s a lot of work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paresh: I am sorry, but I am afraid that&#8217;s wishful thinking. Because of a low graphicacy rate, people use newspapers and magazines as their role model, and create and expect from their peers magazine-like charts. They usually don&#8217;t understand that the role of charts in business is different and the design should be different. People may accept a more rational approach, but it must be explained and its advantages must be clear. And that&#8217;s a lot of work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: paresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>paresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jorge,

I would accept some &#039;fluff&#039; to evoke an emotional response in graphs in newspapers and magazines and such documents. As you say in such cases, the viewer may just turn the page if there are no attractions - but in business - I am not convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jorge,</p>
<p>I would accept some &#8216;fluff&#8217; to evoke an emotional response in graphs in newspapers and magazines and such documents. As you say in such cases, the viewer may just turn the page if there are no attractions &#8211; but in business &#8211; I am not convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ paresh: if you are measuring effectiveness by how good is the chart at displaying patterns, even a small amount of chartjunk makes the chart less effective. What I am arguing here is that you must find that balance between pure effectiveness (pattern display-wise) and emotional response that grabs your audience attention without distorting the data. I also favor a minimalist approach, but I would suggest that Al Gore&#039;s An Inconvenient True is a good example of that balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ paresh: if you are measuring effectiveness by how good is the chart at displaying patterns, even a small amount of chartjunk makes the chart less effective. What I am arguing here is that you must find that balance between pure effectiveness (pattern display-wise) and emotional response that grabs your audience attention without distorting the data. I also favor a minimalist approach, but I would suggest that Al Gore&#8217;s An Inconvenient True is a good example of that balance.</p>
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