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		<title>By: Jan Willem Tulp</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-45761</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Willem Tulp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out Discovery Exhibition: collecting visualization success stories (visweek 2011) http://www.discoveryexhibition.org/pmwiki.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out Discovery Exhibition: collecting visualization success stories (visweek 2011) <a href="http://www.discoveryexhibition.org/pmwiki.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.discoveryexhibition.org/pmwiki.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Data Visualization is NOT Useful. It&#8217;s Indispensable. — Fell in Love with Data</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-45674</link>
		<dc:creator>Data Visualization is NOT Useful. It&#8217;s Indispensable. — Fell in Love with Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first one is from Jorge and is titled: &#8220;Is Data Visualization Useful? You’ll Have to Prove It&#8220;. In this post he argues that believing that data visualization is useful is an act of faith [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first one is from Jorge and is titled: &#8220;Is Data Visualization Useful? You’ll Have to Prove It&#8220;. In this post he argues that believing that data visualization is useful is an act of faith [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Data Visualization and Influence (Part 2) &#8211; examples and links — Fell in Love with Data</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-42971</link>
		<dc:creator>Data Visualization and Influence (Part 2) &#8211; examples and links — Fell in Love with Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a bit late to the party, but I remember Stephen Few asked a similar question &#8230; And I wrote a provocative post.&#8221; (Jorge Camoes): True Stories about the Benefits of Data Visualization (Blog Post) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a bit late to the party, but I remember Stephen Few asked a similar question &#8230; And I wrote a provocative post.&#8221; (Jorge Camoes): True Stories about the Benefits of Data Visualization (Blog Post) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stat arb</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-20903</link>
		<dc:creator>stat arb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also reminds me of bassists and drummers. Nobody picks out a well-harmonized bassline or standard-but-perfect drum accompaniment.  But oftentimes that is what&#039;s making the song, not the flashy front-(wo)man.

(For which, see Ponytail.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also reminds me of bassists and drummers. Nobody picks out a well-harmonized bassline or standard-but-perfect drum accompaniment.  But oftentimes that is what&#8217;s making the song, not the flashy front-(wo)man.</p>
<p>(For which, see Ponytail.)</p>
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		<title>By: stat arb</title>
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		<dc:creator>stat arb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of a far-off comparison (&quot;true because it rhymes&quot;) but I get it.

The A/B comparison touches upon a kind of false test that I think is common. I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s a name for it. But:

* Imagine you give someone the choice between A and B. They will choose A even though it&#039;s wrong.  BUT, given the choice among 50 charts, A_1 through A_49 look like A. They will choose B, the correct choice.

It&#039;s kind of a Warhol principle but in a good way....


Another story that comes to mind is the chairman of Sony in the late 70&#039;s.  Walk-man&#039;s did terribly in focus groups. Probably they were posing a wrong question like, &quot;Could you see yourself using this?&quot; or &quot;Would you recommend this to your friends?&quot; after having some people sit around a conference table and listen to a corporate tape.  They didn&#039;t put people in a realistic situation and ask the question, they just ... posed the question.


Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of a far-off comparison (&#8220;true because it rhymes&#8221;) but I get it.</p>
<p>The A/B comparison touches upon a kind of false test that I think is common. I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s a name for it. But:</p>
<p>* Imagine you give someone the choice between A and B. They will choose A even though it&#8217;s wrong.  BUT, given the choice among 50 charts, A_1 through A_49 look like A. They will choose B, the correct choice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of a Warhol principle but in a good way&#8230;.</p>
<p>Another story that comes to mind is the chairman of Sony in the late 70&#8242;s.  Walk-man&#8217;s did terribly in focus groups. Probably they were posing a wrong question like, &#8220;Could you see yourself using this?&#8221; or &#8220;Would you recommend this to your friends?&#8221; after having some people sit around a conference table and listen to a corporate tape.  They didn&#8217;t put people in a realistic situation and ask the question, they just &#8230; posed the question.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Telea</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-14158</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Telea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge,

Fantastic. I&#039;m working for 13 years in visualization and for about 6 years with actual customers in software visualization (also as co-founder of a softvis tools start-up company). My experience with the real world, stakeholders as I like to call them instead of the overloaded word &#039;users&#039;, is precisely what you describe. Simple graphics, and graphics which _motivate_ their audience to do something about them, work best. Scatterplots, treemaps, parallel coordinates didn&#039;t in so many cases I was involved in. I found a striking parallel between the notions of value and non-value in visualization and the notions of value and waste in lean software engineering (see Poppendieck, 2006), reflected so well in the words of so many actual customers who told me/us: &quot;OK, nice image; nice tool; how much can this save me and/or how much can I gain with it, and what is the price I have to pay for using it?&quot; Sounded like a brutal question first, but I&#039;m afraid they were right. If we cannot quantify the value (and cost) of a technical tool, it&#039;s not a technical tool, but something else. If you&#039;re curious, see http://www.cs.rug.nl/~alext/PAPERS/IEEESW10/paper.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge,</p>
<p>Fantastic. I&#8217;m working for 13 years in visualization and for about 6 years with actual customers in software visualization (also as co-founder of a softvis tools start-up company). My experience with the real world, stakeholders as I like to call them instead of the overloaded word &#8216;users&#8217;, is precisely what you describe. Simple graphics, and graphics which _motivate_ their audience to do something about them, work best. Scatterplots, treemaps, parallel coordinates didn&#8217;t in so many cases I was involved in. I found a striking parallel between the notions of value and non-value in visualization and the notions of value and waste in lean software engineering (see Poppendieck, 2006), reflected so well in the words of so many actual customers who told me/us: &#8220;OK, nice image; nice tool; how much can this save me and/or how much can I gain with it, and what is the price I have to pay for using it?&#8221; Sounded like a brutal question first, but I&#8217;m afraid they were right. If we cannot quantify the value (and cost) of a technical tool, it&#8217;s not a technical tool, but something else. If you&#8217;re curious, see <a href="http://www.cs.rug.nl/~alext/PAPERS/IEEESW10/paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.rug.nl/~alext/PAPERS/IEEESW10/paper.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephane</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-14130</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks man ... i like your post ... so true ... especially the lines on Few  ... indeed  it is very difficult to educate people to the DataViz area and to demonstrate the add value in regular BI projects ... for the moment they do not want spend a $ on this ... for the moment ... i think it will change ... 

Take care

Stéphane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks man &#8230; i like your post &#8230; so true &#8230; especially the lines on Few  &#8230; indeed  it is very difficult to educate people to the DataViz area and to demonstrate the add value in regular BI projects &#8230; for the moment they do not want spend a $ on this &#8230; for the moment &#8230; i think it will change &#8230; </p>
<p>Take care</p>
<p>Stéphane</p>
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		<title>By: James Lytle</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>James Lytle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Stephen is trying to get at here is that you need to have some legitimate grounding for an envisioned sense of &quot;candies.&quot; Poor expressions interpret candies as extra colors and swooshy animation that more often than not simply add distraction from the task at hand. I think your ratio is a bit off too. We need to educate through evidence, and, as those studies grow, as proper evaluation methods are established akin to the field of usability, the formerly uneducated will be disappointed it came so late. Take some time to read legitimate studies in this realm, often referred to as information aesthetics. Andrew Vande Moere from the University of Sydney is one of few slowly making headway (&quot;Towards a Model of Information Aesthetics in Information Visualization&quot; is a good place to start.) Still, though recorded evidence is elusive, we need to at least build a proper mental model and common vocabulary for the aesthetic principles so we can consistently, systematically respond to requests to &#039;spice things up a bit&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Stephen is trying to get at here is that you need to have some legitimate grounding for an envisioned sense of &#8220;candies.&#8221; Poor expressions interpret candies as extra colors and swooshy animation that more often than not simply add distraction from the task at hand. I think your ratio is a bit off too. We need to educate through evidence, and, as those studies grow, as proper evaluation methods are established akin to the field of usability, the formerly uneducated will be disappointed it came so late. Take some time to read legitimate studies in this realm, often referred to as information aesthetics. Andrew Vande Moere from the University of Sydney is one of few slowly making headway (&#8220;Towards a Model of Information Aesthetics in Information Visualization&#8221; is a good place to start.) Still, though recorded evidence is elusive, we need to at least build a proper mental model and common vocabulary for the aesthetic principles so we can consistently, systematically respond to requests to &#8216;spice things up a bit&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Few</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Few</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge,

Although I appreciate your blog, I believe that in an effort to be provocative you sometimes stray from the facts. You have done so in this particular post.

You wrote: “When Stephen Few asks the readers “true stories about the benefits of data visualization” that’s almost an admission of impotence.” Not at all. The effectiveness of data visualization is well established by a large body of empirical evidence. My request for “true stories about the benefits of data visualization” was an attempt to get people to share their real-world successes with others. People have told me many real-world success stories, but I have never bothered to record them, and therefore can never manage to remember them in detail. 

You wrote: “If a single chart can save the world, it will not be a Few’s or Tufte’s 100% compliant chart. It will be a glossy Xcelsius pie chart.” Didn’t you mean to say “It will &quot;not&quot; be a glossy Xcelsius pie chart”? Based on your later statement about pie charts, I suspect that you did. I agree that if a single chart could save the world, it certainly doesn&#039;t need to be 100% compliant with the principles that I teach, but you said that “it will not.” You’re being provocative in a way that could backfire on you and any of us who try to help people use data visualization effectively. There are a great many software vendors out there producing really ineffective products that love any opportunity they can get to promote their bad products. They love statements like yours and will take them out of context to serve their own interests in ways that will harm the people who need good data visualization tools.

You ended with the statement: “Draw a line but don’t forget the candies. You can take a horse to the water, but you can’t make him drink, unless you give him some sugar cubes.” Horses that are thirsty don’t need to be tempted with candy. Pure water running freshly in a stream is what they want. People that aren&#039;t thirsty might need to be tempted with something sweet, but you don&#039;t give them candy instead of water, you give them candy to get them to then drink the water. You seem to be suggesting something about my work that you’ve suggested in the past--that I oppose charts that are delightful in appearance or interactive. You know better than this. The “eye-candy” and interactivity that I oppose is only that which undermines the objectives of the chart. Beauty and enjoyment need not be at odds with effectiveness. People who create charts that incorporate decoration and motion in ways that undermine meaning, distract from the message, or that make the charts difficult to understand are unskilled designers. Do you believe otherwise? 

To your reader PragmaticCynic, who commented above, I’d like to say that you must not be familiar with my work. “Ivy-towered pretentiousness of what is good”? You won’t find any examples of this in my work. If you believe otherwise, I invite you to share them. My work seeks to help people like you who present information to those who have “little time to study a chart.” What I teach is extremely simple and practical. It is designed to “hold their attention” and “make it interesting” in ways that engage them with the data. This is something that, contrary to your claim, I never forget. Anyone who knows my work knows that I don’t teach lofty techniques that are designed for “The Royal Economic Society.” You are mistaken.

And finally, Jorge, you not only failed to correct Pragmatic Cynic’s errors, you actually fueled them by saying that my “approach to information visualization partially fails because people’s emotions are removed from the equation.” I do not discount people’s emotions. I am well aware of them and the ways that they can both enhance and undermine the effectiveness of data visualization. If you believe otherwise, as you suggest, then you should support your claim with concrete examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge,</p>
<p>Although I appreciate your blog, I believe that in an effort to be provocative you sometimes stray from the facts. You have done so in this particular post.</p>
<p>You wrote: “When Stephen Few asks the readers “true stories about the benefits of data visualization” that’s almost an admission of impotence.” Not at all. The effectiveness of data visualization is well established by a large body of empirical evidence. My request for “true stories about the benefits of data visualization” was an attempt to get people to share their real-world successes with others. People have told me many real-world success stories, but I have never bothered to record them, and therefore can never manage to remember them in detail. </p>
<p>You wrote: “If a single chart can save the world, it will not be a Few’s or Tufte’s 100% compliant chart. It will be a glossy Xcelsius pie chart.” Didn’t you mean to say “It will &#8220;not&#8221; be a glossy Xcelsius pie chart”? Based on your later statement about pie charts, I suspect that you did. I agree that if a single chart could save the world, it certainly doesn&#8217;t need to be 100% compliant with the principles that I teach, but you said that “it will not.” You’re being provocative in a way that could backfire on you and any of us who try to help people use data visualization effectively. There are a great many software vendors out there producing really ineffective products that love any opportunity they can get to promote their bad products. They love statements like yours and will take them out of context to serve their own interests in ways that will harm the people who need good data visualization tools.</p>
<p>You ended with the statement: “Draw a line but don’t forget the candies. You can take a horse to the water, but you can’t make him drink, unless you give him some sugar cubes.” Horses that are thirsty don’t need to be tempted with candy. Pure water running freshly in a stream is what they want. People that aren&#8217;t thirsty might need to be tempted with something sweet, but you don&#8217;t give them candy instead of water, you give them candy to get them to then drink the water. You seem to be suggesting something about my work that you’ve suggested in the past&#8211;that I oppose charts that are delightful in appearance or interactive. You know better than this. The “eye-candy” and interactivity that I oppose is only that which undermines the objectives of the chart. Beauty and enjoyment need not be at odds with effectiveness. People who create charts that incorporate decoration and motion in ways that undermine meaning, distract from the message, or that make the charts difficult to understand are unskilled designers. Do you believe otherwise? </p>
<p>To your reader PragmaticCynic, who commented above, I’d like to say that you must not be familiar with my work. “Ivy-towered pretentiousness of what is good”? You won’t find any examples of this in my work. If you believe otherwise, I invite you to share them. My work seeks to help people like you who present information to those who have “little time to study a chart.” What I teach is extremely simple and practical. It is designed to “hold their attention” and “make it interesting” in ways that engage them with the data. This is something that, contrary to your claim, I never forget. Anyone who knows my work knows that I don’t teach lofty techniques that are designed for “The Royal Economic Society.” You are mistaken.</p>
<p>And finally, Jorge, you not only failed to correct Pragmatic Cynic’s errors, you actually fueled them by saying that my “approach to information visualization partially fails because people’s emotions are removed from the equation.” I do not discount people’s emotions. I am well aware of them and the ways that they can both enhance and undermine the effectiveness of data visualization. If you believe otherwise, as you suggest, then you should support your claim with concrete examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/is-data-visualization-useful/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This a solid pragmatic and prosaic piece. The person communicating should not blame those who are receivers ... there is no control there. You need to re-evaluate how you are communicating and connect to the audience. I like data and stats and more complex charts - most people don&#039;t. If I lose them, I&#039;ve missed my objective. Simple as that. Know thy audience and what they can comprehend and digest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This a solid pragmatic and prosaic piece. The person communicating should not blame those who are receivers &#8230; there is no control there. You need to re-evaluate how you are communicating and connect to the audience. I like data and stats and more complex charts &#8211; most people don&#8217;t. If I lose them, I&#8217;ve missed my objective. Simple as that. Know thy audience and what they can comprehend and digest.</p>
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