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		<title>By: DaleW</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>DaleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald - I like your starting point for a classic Excel bar chart much better than what Microsoft gave us!  Still, ok, I might quibble with a few of your recommendations:

4-5) The default tick marks on minor units have their uses.  If we have an axis label (and maybe light gridlines) every 2 units, tick marks for the odd (minor) units feels right to me.
7) Topless (and sideless) bars seem purely a matter or personal preference.
8) Possible does not always equate to preferable, but ,*agreed*, most bar charts don&#039;t need a legend kept outside the data rectangle.
10-11) Indeed, the main factor preventing the plot area from swallowing the whole graph space is the need for easily legible &amp; understood titles &amp; axis labeling...
12) [Now Jorge&#039;s going to have to jump in to keep us from fighting!]  One of my pet peeves is charts made by people who can&#039;t be bothered to label their axes clearly, or put units of measure on them.  The axis labels are the ideal places for those little details, like perhaps an apparent Yugo sales boom chart actually showing total units shipped either way (not $ revenue) only in 1981 in Eastern Europe, which would not constitute a current world threat to Toyota net revenue after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerald &#8211; I like your starting point for a classic Excel bar chart much better than what Microsoft gave us!  Still, ok, I might quibble with a few of your recommendations:</p>
<p>4-5) The default tick marks on minor units have their uses.  If we have an axis label (and maybe light gridlines) every 2 units, tick marks for the odd (minor) units feels right to me.<br />
7) Topless (and sideless) bars seem purely a matter or personal preference. <img src='http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Possible does not always equate to preferable, but ,*agreed*, most bar charts don&#8217;t need a legend kept outside the data rectangle.<br />
10-11) Indeed, the main factor preventing the plot area from swallowing the whole graph space is the need for easily legible &amp; understood titles &amp; axis labeling&#8230;<br />
12) [Now Jorge's going to have to jump in to keep us from fighting!]  One of my pet peeves is charts made by people who can&#8217;t be bothered to label their axes clearly, or put units of measure on them.  The axis labels are the ideal places for those little details, like perhaps an apparent Yugo sales boom chart actually showing total units shipped either way (not $ revenue) only in 1981 in Eastern Europe, which would not constitute a current world threat to Toyota net revenue after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Camoes</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Camoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sally, thanks for stopping by. That&#039;s how it sounds? I didn&#039;t mean that. I just wanted to emphasize that if you start to labeling every single data point probably you need a table, not a chart. &quot;The medium is the message&quot;, right? That&#039;s why a bar chart cannot replace a pie chart and a table cannot replace a chart. Different messages/media answer different questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sally, thanks for stopping by. That&#8217;s how it sounds? I didn&#8217;t mean that. I just wanted to emphasize that if you start to labeling every single data point probably you need a table, not a chart. &#8220;The medium is the message&#8221;, right? That&#8217;s why a bar chart cannot replace a pie chart and a table cannot replace a chart. Different messages/media answer different questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Bigwood</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1326</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Bigwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why have you started from the position that a graph is better than a table?  A well designed table can often communicate numeric ideas more quickly and accurately than any graph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have you started from the position that a graph is better than a table?  A well designed table can often communicate numeric ideas more quickly and accurately than any graph.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Higgins</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaleW - I would agree that for higher information density charts, putting the legend inside the chart would be bad. But for the charts illustrated - which have extremely low information density - finding a good place to put the legend inside the chart should be easy. In Excel, external legends usually just take up too much space, space that could have been given over to making the data elements larger and easier to understand.

More generally, this article prompts the question - If Microsoft have given us an example of what NOT to do with charts, what SHOULD we do with charts instead ?

Here&#039;s the list of things that I would typically go through when making an Excel bar chart like this. Some of these may not be right for all applications, but I do find myself relying on them most of the time. And of course you can set these up as a customised chart in your library once you&#039;ve decided your preferences.

In no particular order (and using Excel 2003) . . .
1) format plot area to white, light grey border
2) format gridlines to light grey
3) format both axes to light grey
4) remove tick marks from both axes
5) make sure scale is appropriate, and also major units (don&#039;t use minor units)
6) set appropriate number format for Y axis (and X axis if required)
7) format each data series to NO border, and choose an appropriate fill colour
8) format legend to no border, and if possible place within the chart
9) make the chart as big as possible, to take up all the available space. By this I don&#039;t mean the chart HAS to take up the entire screen. If you want to have 4 or 10 or 50 charts on the page, that&#039;s fine, but make sure each one takes up 100% of the space you have allocated to it.
10) make the plot area as big as possible
11) select an appropriate font size for all text elements
12) if possible, do without x and y axis titles - try and make the titles self evident from the chart title, the Y axis number format, and the X axis category names.

I&#039;m sure many will disagree with some of this - over to you :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaleW &#8211; I would agree that for higher information density charts, putting the legend inside the chart would be bad. But for the charts illustrated &#8211; which have extremely low information density &#8211; finding a good place to put the legend inside the chart should be easy. In Excel, external legends usually just take up too much space, space that could have been given over to making the data elements larger and easier to understand.</p>
<p>More generally, this article prompts the question &#8211; If Microsoft have given us an example of what NOT to do with charts, what SHOULD we do with charts instead ?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the list of things that I would typically go through when making an Excel bar chart like this. Some of these may not be right for all applications, but I do find myself relying on them most of the time. And of course you can set these up as a customised chart in your library once you&#8217;ve decided your preferences.</p>
<p>In no particular order (and using Excel 2003) . . .<br />
1) format plot area to white, light grey border<br />
2) format gridlines to light grey<br />
3) format both axes to light grey<br />
4) remove tick marks from both axes<br />
5) make sure scale is appropriate, and also major units (don&#8217;t use minor units)<br />
6) set appropriate number format for Y axis (and X axis if required)<br />
7) format each data series to NO border, and choose an appropriate fill colour <img src='http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> format legend to no border, and if possible place within the chart<br />
9) make the chart as big as possible, to take up all the available space. By this I don&#8217;t mean the chart HAS to take up the entire screen. If you want to have 4 or 10 or 50 charts on the page, that&#8217;s fine, but make sure each one takes up 100% of the space you have allocated to it.<br />
10) make the plot area as big as possible<br />
11) select an appropriate font size for all text elements<br />
12) if possible, do without x and y axis titles &#8211; try and make the titles self evident from the chart title, the Y axis number format, and the X axis category names.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure many will disagree with some of this &#8211; over to you <img src='http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DaleW</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>DaleW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge - good find!

Gerald - seldom do we see sensible guidelines for how to handle the legend.  For low information density charts like these, yes, the traditional outside legend seems superfluous.  However, for higher information density charts (old-style &quot;professional charts&quot;), William S. Cleveland had a rule &quot;Do not clutter the interior of the scale-line rectangle.&quot;  In The Elements of Graphing Data, while fully opposing ChartJunk just as Tufte does, he offered some reasonable arguments for preserving that rectangle formed by four scale lines (not two) -- to make it clear where the data points may be found, and make them less likely to be overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge &#8211; good find!</p>
<p>Gerald &#8211; seldom do we see sensible guidelines for how to handle the legend.  For low information density charts like these, yes, the traditional outside legend seems superfluous.  However, for higher information density charts (old-style &#8220;professional charts&#8221;), William S. Cleveland had a rule &#8220;Do not clutter the interior of the scale-line rectangle.&#8221;  In The Elements of Graphing Data, while fully opposing ChartJunk just as Tufte does, he offered some reasonable arguments for preserving that rectangle formed by four scale lines (not two) &#8212; to make it clear where the data points may be found, and make them less likely to be overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Higgins</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony - I think Jorge was joking when he said &quot;grid lines are useless&quot;.

As for the legend, there are at least two improvements that you can make.
First, put the legend INSIDE the chart. This makes it simpler to cross reference between information and key, AND it maximises the space available for the chart.

Second, don&#039;t have a legend at all ! Just label some of your data directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony &#8211; I think Jorge was joking when he said &#8220;grid lines are useless&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for the legend, there are at least two improvements that you can make.<br />
First, put the legend INSIDE the chart. This makes it simpler to cross reference between information and key, AND it maximises the space available for the chart.</p>
<p>Second, don&#8217;t have a legend at all ! Just label some of your data directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jon - what an obvious abuse of their &quot;power&quot;.  They should stick to formulas and leave the data visualization techniques to those that know what they are talking about.

On a more positive note, at least they got a few things right.  Well, actually only two - removing the grid lines and deleting the border from the legend.  Although, I actually prefer the legend to be at the top/bottom versus the side so you can maximize the actual chart width.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jon &#8211; what an obvious abuse of their &#8220;power&#8221;.  They should stick to formulas and leave the data visualization techniques to those that know what they are talking about.</p>
<p>On a more positive note, at least they got a few things right.  Well, actually only two &#8211; removing the grid lines and deleting the border from the legend.  Although, I actually prefer the legend to be at the top/bottom versus the side so you can maximize the actual chart width.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s pathetic. Unfortunately it is not a spoof. It is too bad that Microsoft abuses its authority and puts out such stupid suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s pathetic. Unfortunately it is not a spoof. It is too bad that Microsoft abuses its authority and puts out such stupid suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Seabie</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Seabie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t make the mistake of confusing the wonderful word &quot;spiffy&quot; with the dreaded &quot;professional-looking&quot; - this is Microsoft&#039;s error and should not be compounded. Reclaim spiffy for the truly great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t make the mistake of confusing the wonderful word &#8220;spiffy&#8221; with the dreaded &#8220;professional-looking&#8221; &#8211; this is Microsoft&#8217;s error and should not be compounded. Reclaim spiffy for the truly great!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyan Penev</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/spiffy-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyan Penev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great post!</p>
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