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	<title>Comments on: Why can&#039;t bloggers-about-blogging do basic charts?</title>
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		<title>By: Just Another Stupid Bar Chart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Another Stupid Bar Chart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.excelcharts.com/blog/why-cant-bloggers-about-blogging-do-basic-charts/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, when you say &quot;when most people create a chart or graph they assume the applications we use to create charts are the correct way to show data visually&quot; you are partially right (I believe people should know more than that, but that&#039;s another story). Defaults play a significant role today, and every organization that offers something should be aware of the implications their defaults may have. Those stupid Excel chart defaults are, of course, one of the best examples of how not set defaults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, when you say &#8220;when most people create a chart or graph they assume the applications we use to create charts are the correct way to show data visually&#8221; you are partially right (I believe people should know more than that, but that&#8217;s another story). Defaults play a significant role today, and every organization that offers something should be aware of the implications their defaults may have. Those stupid Excel chart defaults are, of course, one of the best examples of how not set defaults.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -

I don&#039;t think the bloggers who have posted their survey data have offered any advice about how to plot their data. I don&#039;t think they spent much time thinking about how they should plot it themselves. I think they clicked a button, said, &quot;ooh, pie charts, I&#039;ve heard of them,&quot; and the result is an ineffectual graphic. At least Chris has taken our comments to heart.

I&#039;ve often recommended Stephen Few&#039;s books. I think they are good resources for learning how and why to use particular visualization approaches.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think the bloggers who have posted their survey data have offered any advice about how to plot their data. I don&#8217;t think they spent much time thinking about how they should plot it themselves. I think they clicked a button, said, &#8220;ooh, pie charts, I&#8217;ve heard of them,&#8221; and the result is an ineffectual graphic. At least Chris has taken our comments to heart.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often recommended Stephen Few&#8217;s books. I think they are good resources for learning how and why to use particular visualization approaches.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerbino</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gerbino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reviewed the charts that Jorge was commenting on. Yes, they are bad.

@Jon P, I thought Jorge&#039;s comments regarding how &quot;they often come up with advices that I can relate to when thinking of information visualization: simplicity, consistency, go to the point, remove clutter, tell a story…

Problem is, bloggers about blogging fail to follow their own advice when they attempt to graphically display the results of their online surveys or other quantitative data.&quot;

If this is the case, they could have researched how to properly create charts/graphs. They did not and they failed. They are like everyone else. It is my opinion that when most people create a chart or graph they assume the applications we use to create charts are the correct way to show data visually. We both know they know nothing about charting. Many know that you are a source of knowledge. I, however am not. I am one of those people who have struggled over the years to properly display data visually. I am no expert. Last week I spent 3 days with an expert in Boston, MA. The experts name is Stephen Few.

For all of you who want to know the proper way to display data I strongly suggest you read his book, &quot;Show Me the Numbers&quot;. It is a hard cover book constructed like a college text book. Its list price is 45 in United States Dollars. His website which has a lot of free content is http://www.perceptualedge.com

Oh and Jon, Stephen Few mentions that we visit your web site for additional Excel knowledge.

Thanks again Jorge for making your observations. Now these two fine bloggers can learn and improve and that is what this is all about. We can all learn from each other, regardless of our areas of expertise.

- @dmgerbino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reviewed the charts that Jorge was commenting on. Yes, they are bad.</p>
<p>@Jon P, I thought Jorge&#8217;s comments regarding how &#8220;they often come up with advices that I can relate to when thinking of information visualization: simplicity, consistency, go to the point, remove clutter, tell a story…</p>
<p>Problem is, bloggers about blogging fail to follow their own advice when they attempt to graphically display the results of their online surveys or other quantitative data.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is the case, they could have researched how to properly create charts/graphs. They did not and they failed. They are like everyone else. It is my opinion that when most people create a chart or graph they assume the applications we use to create charts are the correct way to show data visually. We both know they know nothing about charting. Many know that you are a source of knowledge. I, however am not. I am one of those people who have struggled over the years to properly display data visually. I am no expert. Last week I spent 3 days with an expert in Boston, MA. The experts name is Stephen Few.</p>
<p>For all of you who want to know the proper way to display data I strongly suggest you read his book, &#8220;Show Me the Numbers&#8221;. It is a hard cover book constructed like a college text book. Its list price is 45 in United States Dollars. His website which has a lot of free content is <a href="http://www.perceptualedge.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.perceptualedge.com</a></p>
<p>Oh and Jon, Stephen Few mentions that we visit your web site for additional Excel knowledge.</p>
<p>Thanks again Jorge for making your observations. Now these two fine bloggers can learn and improve and that is what this is all about. We can all learn from each other, regardless of our areas of expertise.</p>
<p>- @dmgerbino</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, &quot;openness and a desire to improve&quot; is not always the default attitude, so you are right, we should praise Chris for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, &#8220;openness and a desire to improve&#8221; is not always the default attitude, so you are right, we should praise Chris for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge - I agree with Chris that he&#039;s really just like &quot;anyone else&quot;, except with an audience. The audience by itself does not necessarily require him to learn about graphical display (as well as prosaic display, which is what it took to gain the audience). However, now that he&#039;s learned that there is  a set of techniques that can improve the graphical display, he has responded with respect and with a desire to learn to use these techniques.

Chris - I admire your attitude, which features openness and a desire to improve. I&#039;m interested to see how Jorge presents your data (I would probably use predominantly bar charts...). The data should start as a simple table. Sometimes when I&#039;m showing examples like this, I even &quot;manually digitize&quot; the charts just to have some representative data to plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge &#8211; I agree with Chris that he&#8217;s really just like &#8220;anyone else&#8221;, except with an audience. The audience by itself does not necessarily require him to learn about graphical display (as well as prosaic display, which is what it took to gain the audience). However, now that he&#8217;s learned that there is  a set of techniques that can improve the graphical display, he has responded with respect and with a desire to learn to use these techniques.</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; I admire your attitude, which features openness and a desire to improve. I&#8217;m interested to see how Jorge presents your data (I would probably use predominantly bar charts&#8230;). The data should start as a simple table. Sometimes when I&#8217;m showing examples like this, I even &#8220;manually digitize&#8221; the charts just to have some representative data to plot.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple table in a spreadsheet should be ok. Don&#039;t aggregate the data, put individual records in rows and variables in columns.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the best format to provide the data for you to play with?</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, thanks for commenting. Like any blogger, you are interested in good &quot;conversations&quot;, right? It doesn&#039;t matter if you are using words, charts or smoke signs. It&#039;s all about how effectively deliver your message.

If you want to improve, you can always read my blog ;D

And you can make your dataset available for us to play. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be surprised with the outputs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, thanks for commenting. Like any blogger, you are interested in good &#8220;conversations&#8221;, right? It doesn&#8217;t matter if you are using words, charts or smoke signs. It&#8217;s all about how effectively deliver your message.</p>
<p>If you want to improve, you can always read my blog ;D</p>
<p>And you can make your dataset available for us to play. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be surprised with the outputs.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Darren&#039;s chart is pretty simple: just use a bar chart (or better, a dot chart), no color variation, no legend, sorted from top to bottom.

I have no predefined format for Chris&#039; dataset. A graphical table is a good option.

With survey data you must tell a story. Read Brian Clark&#039;s http://www.copyblogger.com to learn how to write good stories and use graphical sentences (charts) instead of written ones. (Easier send than done, but writing some of those stories is one of my projects for the summer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Darren&#8217;s chart is pretty simple: just use a bar chart (or better, a dot chart), no color variation, no legend, sorted from top to bottom.</p>
<p>I have no predefined format for Chris&#8217; dataset. A graphical table is a good option.</p>
<p>With survey data you must tell a story. Read Brian Clark&#8217;s <a href="http://www.copyblogger.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyblogger.com</a> to learn how to write good stories and use graphical sentences (charts) instead of written ones. (Easier send than done, but writing some of those stories is one of my projects for the summer.)</p>
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